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Over the past 5 years, things have changed dramatically in the standard light fixtures we install in our homes. There are some things that you need to consider to plan for less cost and pain down the road as the new LED designs are not all good.
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So far I have not had to replace a fixture and the LED bulbs are working nicely. My frustration comes from the many fixtures I have that use small base 25 watt bulbs and the impossibly of finding LED replacements.
The linked to video where you install the mini lights are so much more complicated and problematic that its mind boggling that you suggest doing that over changing out a light on a mount. Worst case scenario is you have to switch out the mount which if you did everything nicely should be super simple to do. Heck, I'd just assume they eventually will have a standardized mount for these things and you just flip in and out the dome of integrated LEDs, no much more fuss than bulbs, just higher up.
As far as waste… The bulbs use about as much material and for the smart aspects they cost just about the same. So that argument is largely irrelevant.
I like the low profile, but the color (warm setting) of the light isn't very pleasing.
Boy…:doesn’t this sound familiar…APPLE. Not giving the ability to simply swap out a part, or add a part. It’s just another way manufacturers attempt to FORCE consumers constantly buying crap. It’s shady forced consumerism to raise stock prices.
Many of the LED bulbs say not suitable for totally enclosed fixtures—-ie that dome fixture on the ceiling behind you. There are dome fixtures that are offset from the ceiling by about 1 cm and thus are vented.
I fully agree with you on the show stopper issue of non-serviceability. It gets even worse with some other devices, such as e.g., expensive ceiling fans. Thank for this video.
wonder if a blue butt connector and some tape would work in place of a WAGO connector ?
I wonder if any one has acualy taken a bulb back to the store that was suppose to last for YEARS but it doesnt, for a replacment bulb ?
Someone needs to come up with a user-replaceable, modular, standardized, flat LED unit. These integrated units are irresponsible until that happens.
As you said, fixtures get replaced for a new look or features. It doesn’t matter if they last 30 years or have replaceable bulbs if that’s your goal.
I appreciate being able to use LEDs in old fixtures but not everyone cares.
My wife insists on 100 watt equivalent "daylight" (5000k) bulbs in every fixture. I'm looking at switching a lot of the living spaces to smart bulbs so I can turn the temperature down at least in the evenings…
I hate integrated LEDs
I find your presentations well done and interesting . FYI it is possible to obtain flat, dimmable light emitting diode replacement lights, probably with some careful measurements. I just did a search and found a number of places that sell them. It would likely require some careful measurements to ensure one gets the correct replacement, but it seems do-able. Thanks for sharing.
I live in the republic of California. We can't buy any kind of light we want, only what the government allows. I use to live in a free country, not no mo.
Like your hat. Is it available to purchase?
Totally agree…trying to find a traditional exterior light that DOESN’T have integrated leds and dusk to dawn photo eyes was EXTREMELY HARD
The integrated fixtures are serviceable with a little know how. Unfortunately, the parts tend to cost at least 2x more than a new fixture.
Although, for expensive LED fixtures I can see spending the money to fix them.
All the integrated ones in my house came from Costco and Sam's Club and cost between $25 and $45.
I will say that at the end of the day….. Edison base fixtures make more long term sense. Moreover, I agree it's very wasteful to build throw away fixtures.
All 12 of mine were installed in 2016. I've only had one fail. It failed at exactly 6 years.
The issue with LEDs is that the bulbs give off less light as they age. So, 3 years later, your "40 watt" equivalent is now only producing 28 watts of equivalent light. You're like, "why can't I see? The light is on all the way, the bulbs appear to be lit up, it seems dim in here. Am I nuts?"
Nope, your LED diodes are going out. Unlike an incandescent bulb that "burns out" all at once, this LED dying of the light takes longer, but even though it appears to be lit, it is pretty useless.
I can't stand the new light bulbs overall. I have many dimmers in the house, and they NEVER dim as low as an incandescent. I've purchased the lowest possible kelvin and the warmest possible…and it is never natural, nor does it dim as well as incandescents. Also, the LED bulbs in ceiling fans, when I dim them all the way down, one illuminates more that the others. In all 3 of my fan/light combos. I miss incandescents. So this evolution you are discussing, I like even LESS than the LED bulbs.
I went with an integrated LED ceiling fan purely for the headroom. It already matches nothing else in the house.
But your right the fan lights are no good to dim
Love the new leds, they don’t get hot
5:56, Oh look! Wagos! What are the chances?!
The LED bulbs I have tried end up flashing up and down in brightness and I have to replace them. Also, the color is whiter and more harsh compared to the older incandescent bulbs. I have some incandescent bulbs in my condo that I have never replaced and I've been here for 14 years. So lamp life is not a big problem for the incandescent bulbs as they have a 600 hr lamp life. My overhead R40 lamps have a 2000hr lamp life, so also no problem. The best bulbs I have used outside is the fluorescent screw type bulb which seems to last forever and the color is OK. Incandescent will always have the best warm color of any lamp source used in home interiors.
We’re gradually switching to LED when the CFL bulbs installed by the previous owner burns out, some have taken several years to burn out surprisingly.
LED bulbs, although I use them, are highly overrated in their longevity! Especially FEIT from Home Depot. Was too good to be true. Seem great at first but we’re dropping like flies in 6-8 months. Even other brands aren’t much better. My Philips Hue have been going strong for several years but the costs far outweigh any electrical savings! 3000k 60w equivalent are great except for garage and basement and even some bathrooms.
Dude you just palmed that ceiling light! How tall are you???
Some of those led circle fixtures make the room look like an interrogation room. They can be very directional.
Integrated is trash. We should show companies by closing our wallets to those types of lights
Planned obsolescence.
Just what we need… another "guaranteed" lifespan electronic doohickey that's designed to be wholly unserviceable to take the place of a perfectly good solution with a hundred plus years behind it, all to line the pockets of corporate executives and the landfills we leave our children. No thank you. Except, of course, that the market will take us where it takes us, and we'll have no choice but to go along with it if we want to be able to see in our homes at night. I don't care about being able to change the color temperature on the fly– 2700k 100W eqiivalent at all times is what I *want*. I don't care about it being flat. That makes it feel cold and boring. I don't want that in my house, but I'm sure I'll be forced into it eventually, just as I've been forced into using a smart phone because no one maintains their websites anymore. Progress. Meh. I was happy with where things were in 2006, and would have been content if everything invented in home electronics afterwards had never been thought of.
Integrated led only if there's no other solution. Led bulb of choice 3k,1600 lumens with dimmer.
Can we please stop referencing brightness with "watt equivalent"? Just give me a lumen measurement!
Its a way to make consumers pay more and eliminate your choices that save money.
100% agree. I have no plans to buy integrated fixtures. I have one in a fan that came with the house, and the light doesn’t suit the room at all. To change it, I’ll need to change the whole fan. It’s on the list, but such a waste.
Scott you are not missing something- interior lighting is in total crisis mode with the bigbox retailers stocking total crap options rarely including 2700K. The other big issue is dimmability. As someone notes below, the best option (for existing recessed cans) may be a retrofit conversion kit and then experiment with different LED bulbs until you find one that doesn’t feel like a hospital waiting room.
Anything Philips Hue
I have same dilemma on outdoor lighting. On my house I have two fixtures on either side of garage, one by front door, as well as a post lamp in yard! It's almost impossible to find things that match and thus far it's easy to change a bulb that goes out. If these were integrated led fixtures, it's highly unlikely I'll find something that matches, thus going through the expense of replacing several fixtures at one time.
There is yet another problem. Let's say you have at least two of these installed in a room. One goes out after a couple of years and you then install your spare. You will most likely find that the light is not matching anymore! It's because of phosphors aging. As LED light sources are used, they drift in pretty much all of their specs, including light output (brightness).
LED light fixtures are Waist of money.
I had to replace 80% of my integrated LED light fixtures within the first 5 year in my new home.
Great information. Installed that kind of light fixture and did not last. I wish I had seen your video
I've never seen or even heard of these integrated fixtures, so they can hardly be very popular in my country (Denmark). And personally I'd never buy one.